question about Crosssticking

[Schreck]

perhaps, alex sanguinetti, the man with the italian relatives
has something to answer too.
As you know, I saw you 15 years ago and really had some problems after seing you,
because your crosstickings were too much for me.

I tried some things at home but I have to say,
that I really hurt myself physically.
I forgot these things and thougt something like,
"Ah, shit crosssticking, forget it, it's just a circus trick"

now, I have practiced nearly everything, I wanted too
and the times are coming now, to search around, what I will going to do next.

and I choose crosssticking. the big black hole for me.
this time I tried it with more patience with the result,
not been hurted as much as in the past.
I habe just some blue signs on the arms and two blisters,
which reminds me to the old days.

I pratice now the double cross sticking, I really don't know, how to name it.
It's like

startin with right - I'am rigth handed


right hand snare - left hand cross to floor tom -
right hand snare - left hand tom (in front of the snare)
right hand floor tom - left hand floor tom
right cross to tom(in front of the snare) - left hand floor tom
right hand back to floor tom - left hand to snare

and so on.

I noticed 10 strokes.
so, I have to take care, at what time I'am going to play this stroke.
it was very important for me, to HEAR, that this pattern SOUNDS new to me.
so, it's not just a circus trick.
especially, if I play a groove, its very interesting, to use this pattern,
if it comes to a break.

now my question.

are there any others crosssticking patterns, which I should practice ?

I just ask because I never thought, that this notated pattern above
will really SOUND like it sound.

another question.
I tried this pattern without the snare.
just betweeen tom and floortom and I habe big problems,
when it comes to the crossing

left hand from tom to floortom during right hand is on the tom,


because the tom is of course in a higher position and the angle
for the stroke of my right hand on the floor tom is just not a good angle.
but I really can't change the angle,
because my right hand is on the tom in front of the snare.
so, should I forget this ?

<font color="#a62a2a" size="1">[ May 20, 2005 03:14 AM: Message edited by: Schreck ]</font>

[peter b]

hey, i would love to hear more ideas on cool cross sticking patterns....anybody??? cymbals too! [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[Rhythmatist]

There was a cool book out years ago called "Cross-sticking patterns for Drumset" by Joe Cusatis. I believe it's out of print but I may have a copy of it somewhere. If I find it I will post.

Has anyone ever seen Joe Cusatis? He did a clinic/concert at my high school (many, many moons ago) and demonstrated some of this stuff. He made it more than some visual crap. By utilizing inner dynamics and accents it became a very musical thing; yet another bullet in the revolver. The idea was to come up with different "melodic" phrases that stayed within a hand to hand framework rather than using sticking patters around the kit. The resulting sound was different because of the nature of the single strokes involved. Once comfortable with the physical motions involved you can expand upon the idea by using accent patterns and even going another step beyond and work sticking patterns into it as well.

Weckl and Chambers have been doing some of this stuff. I guess that might be the reason for all the recent interest.

[Schreck]

to rhythmatist

thanks for the advice. perhaps I should read something, yes.
and I agree NOW, it's not only a visual thing.
it becomes a musical thing and opens space.
a lot of space I have to say after only one week of practicing.
the first step was the hardest, because in the past I hurted myself a lot.
my technic were not developed enough.
but now, it's great fun.


to zombywoof

I don't know, if the follwong pattern is written somewhere.
All I can say, that the following pattern works great,
it's easy, sounds very interesting and also has 3 crossings.
if you state the starting point at the tom in front of the snare,
there are 7 strokes to the next stroke on this tom.
you just have to add one stroake where you want and you have 8 strokes, if you want.

after some hours practicing, I'am already able, to play quite fast.

and it looks great too of course. like in the circus. ;-)
but since a long long time I have two big blisters now.

1.) right - tom in front the snare
left - snare
right - floor tom to the right
left - snare
right - snare
left - (cross) to floortom
right - snare
left - tom in front the snare
right - floor tom
left - floor tom (cross)
right - snare (cross)
left - snare
right - floor tom
left - floor tom
2.)right - tom crosses to tom in front of the snare

now you add 2 strokes where you want and have 16 strokes.

[spizzknckr]

Currently out; a book by Ron Spagnardi on the subject of crossticking rhythms for the set. Check out Modern Drummer or any number of online retailers for the book. I haven't found a copy of Joe's book. Maybe send him an email to Modern Drum Shop NYC. Maybe he can point you to some copies. He is a nice guy and still teaching I believe. He makes some nice drums too! There is a couple of books authored by him that are currently out. Hope that helps!
spizzknckr

[Schreck]

thanks for your advice, spizzknckr.
but I never read any books.
to much work for less effort for me. And I know nothing about notation.
I still hope, I will get some practical advices through this board.
I make good progress in testing out the possibilities in a practical way.
but I notice know, that my theoretical knowledge sucks.
so, most of the patterns, I practice, have a little triplet feel and this
triplet feel changes between offbeat an onbeat but I cannot divide the stroke result
through 3.
so, I really don't know, where I should go.
yesterday I practiced a pattern with 34 strokes.
If you count quarters, it's o.k. You start always on a quarter note.
but not an the first 4/4 quarter note.

perhaps I have to solve the problem by listening ?
but that's tough I think.
yesterday i practiced something, which sounds good.
but I played quite fast.
So I wanted to slow it down, to know, what it was.
very difficult.
and to write it down is difficult too.

[Schreck]

HuHu !!! [img]graemlins/grrr.gif[/img]

my love-worth fantastic drummers around the world. [img]graemlins/smarty.gif[/img]

is there anybody, who has something to say concretly to cross-sticking ? [img]eek.gif[/img]

ahhh, by he way, I heard, Vinni Colaiuta is a BIG FAn of crosssticking
but he don't like to perform it. It's his private passion. [img]tongue.gif[/img]
I heard it from a friend of a friend, who was the friend of a former girl-friend of VC. [img]graemlins/wonder.gif[/img]